Interviewed by Adam Powell on ‘The News Hour’ — 27/11/2019 17:00 – 18:00 — about five minutes from the end —start viewing at the 55:00 minute point:

Note to readers outside the U.K.: in the U.K., ‘anorak’ is a name for a dull person. Webster’s definition: an informal term for a studious or obsessive person with unfashionable and largely solitary interest.